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Saphiran said: @ejleon I am saying that it was overdramatized in literally every aspect. From character's backstory to his behavior. And after several beatings concluded in friendship. Not the best writing? More like pathetic. But, you are free to disagree. Just like 90% of posts here are disagreeing with your opinion. First: I’m not taking to 90% percent of the people here, I’m talking to you, so let’s just discuss our own perspectives. Second: If you are so unconfident in your own perspective, that you need to use a fallacious argument “appeal to numbers”, then maybe I chose the wrong person to talk to. Third: Basically all anime are exaggerated, over the top, and unrealistic, so your first complaint is not saying very much. Forth: As I always say, if you are going to claim this is “pathetic writing”, then I’d suggest that you yourself write a better story, since you are claiming to be a good judge of what a well written anime is. Fifth: I ask again, are you only for characters hating each other and being at each others’ throats, instead of making peace? |
ejleonJun 2, 2024 4:34 PM
Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating.  |
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Saphiran said:
@ejleon I am saying that it was overdramatized in literally every aspect. From character's backstory to his behavior. And after several beatings concluded in friendship. Not the best writing? More like pathetic. But, you are free to disagree. Just like 90% of posts here are disagreeing with your opinion.
@ejleon I am saying that it was overdramatized in literally every aspect. From character's backstory to his behavior. And after several beatings concluded in friendship. Not the best writing? More like pathetic. But, you are free to disagree. Just like 90% of posts here are disagreeing with your opinion.
First: I’m not taking to 90% percent of the people here, I’m talking to you, so let’s just discuss our own perspectives.
Second: If you are so unconfident in your own perspective, that you need to use a fallacious argument “appeal to numbers”, then maybe I chose the wrong person to talk to.
Third: Basically all anime are exaggerated, over the top, and unrealistic, so your first complaint is not saying very much.
Forth: As I always say, if you are going to claim this is “pathetic writing”, then I’d suggest that you yourself write a better story, since you are claiming to be a good judge of what a well written anime is.
Fifth: I ask again, are you only for characters hating each other and being at each others’ throats, instead of making peace?
| @ejleon I only said that opinions don't need be consentaneous. Everyone can agree or disagree with everything. But, of course you took it the wrong way. The hell would I "appeal to numbers"? This has nothing to do with it. In fact, you are getting everything wrong. I literally spelled out and pointed out exactly what I hated about this episode. And yes, I can call it fucking garbage if I want to. I never claimed anything about what a well written anime is. And that whole " if you claim is bad write it better" is retarded statement people use when they have no actual argument. Criticizing is forbidden cuz reasons. Stupid. And you can ask million times, I already answer your questions. |
SaphiranJun 3, 2024 12:55 PM
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@ejleon I only said that opinions don't need be consentaneous. Everyone can agree or disagree with everything. But, of course you took it the wrong way. The hell would I "appeal to numbers"? This has nothing to do with it. In fact, you are getting everything wrong. I literally spelled out and pointed out exactly what I hated about this episode. And yes, I can call it fucking garbage if I want to.
I never claimed anything about what a well written anime is. And that whole " if you claim is bad write it better" is retarded statement people use when they have no actual argument. Criticizing is forbidden cuz reasons. Stupid.
And you can ask million times, I already answer your questions.
I never claimed anything about what a well written anime is. And that whole " if you claim is bad write it better" is retarded statement people use when they have no actual argument. Criticizing is forbidden cuz reasons. Stupid.
And you can ask million times, I already answer your questions.
| @Saphiran Oh… You are claiming that your comment about the “90%”, was not an obvious attempt to pressure me and discredit what I said, while acting like you had support for your own point? And you were just saying that we are all free to think and say what we want, whether it agrees or disagrees with others? If anything is a load of garage, that would take the cake. 🤣 I never said you can only offer praise or that can’t offer genuine criticism, that is a lie. Your comment “writing is pathetic” is extremely general on purpose, since you don’t actually have any useful writing help to offer, that much is obvious. You never answered my question and you keep saying “let’s be friends” is in some way bad. |
ejleonJun 3, 2024 1:12 PM
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
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@Saphiran Oh… You are claiming that your comment about the “90%”, was not an obvious attempt to pressure me and discredit what I said, while acting like you had support for your own point? And you were just saying that we are all free to think and say what we want, whether it agrees or disagrees with others?
If anything is a load of garage, that would take the cake. 🤣
I never said you can only offer praise or that can’t offer genuine criticism, that is a lie.
Your comment “writing is pathetic” is extremely general on purpose, since you don’t actually have any useful writing help to offer, that much is obvious.
You never answered my question and you keep saying “let’s be friends” is in some way bad.
If anything is a load of garage, that would take the cake. 🤣
I never said you can only offer praise or that can’t offer genuine criticism, that is a lie.
Your comment “writing is pathetic” is extremely general on purpose, since you don’t actually have any useful writing help to offer, that much is obvious.
You never answered my question and you keep saying “let’s be friends” is in some way bad.
| @ejleon Take a pill and chill for a second. You didn't write anything that I would need to discredit you for. Opinion are just opinions. And you keep asking me to explain mine. I tried even when I don't have to. That's why I wrote you are free to disagree with it. I called writing pathetic. And? I don't need to rewrite that part of anime and elaborate how it would be better. I could but I won't. "Let's be friends" is already explained. I said, it was already done to death and done better and I am fucking sick of it. In this anime, especially considering the context of the story it's just so fucking bad. If you're asking in general do I have an issue with it, maybe I do. Depends in what type of anime and how it is done. Sometimes it works, most of the time it's just annoying to watch. |
| God damn what an Incredible episode!! From the OST to the visual storytelling is just all done so well. |
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| Umechan is saiko-----------!! I love him!! |
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| @akixangel Lol yeah right like 90% of anime doesn't have mega-cringe, overly emotional dialogue between two characters, no less two males. Get a grip. All male cast shounen are still made for male-targeted publications in Japan, and inevitably lots of female fans latch on as well for obvious reasons. This doesn't mean the writing or characters are specifically meant to cater to females, or to bait them. Haikyuu, Blue Lock, Tokyo Revengers, and this...all made for male publications and have huge manga sales numbers with their male audience. Nah, it's whatever bias you have about how non Japanese media typically portrays two males interacting that makes you think the usual corny levels of emotional character interaction in Japanese media is meant to be gay or to be bait. The dramatic way the Wind Breaker characters have been acting is very, VERY Japanese "young audience" writing. I'm not saying this doesn't cause appeal hugely to females too; again for obvious reasons it does, and that's why you'll see "accessory" type merch for male-cast shounen specifically dominated by female buyers. But these are still intended to be dude stories written by dudes. There are also all or mostly-male cast anime or manga written FOR women (like Vanitas or Black Butler), as there are all or mostly-female cast anime written FOR men (any idol anime). What do ALL of these have in common? Super emphatic character behavior and drama. And you missed my point about BakuDeku. It's the fact that the characters are not a ship within the story but fujos absorb and process it as such because they misinterpret the intense character dynamic as being romance, taking "bait" that's not *literally* there. You're engaging in the same misinterpretation with Wind Breaker. It's a choice fujos will make too, but the writing is meant to dictate it as something else. |
| I REALLY could not care less about the backstory if this kid, he's a chump. It does not excuse a damn thing and honestly a lot of us have had it worse but still didn't do anything like his sins. |
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| @akixangel Brother in Christ you crossed into the absolutely delusional zone. BakuDeku is not a canon romance ship, the fact that once again you can't see the "hot-blooded youth frenemy" trop in both MHA and Wind Breaker is an extremely common male audience trope commonly misinterpreted as romantic by fujos, totally disproves your point about audience targeting. I don't care if people ship them, why does that even matter? I'm saying you're doin the SAME thing fujos are. Misinterpreting an interaction as romance bait. Also the fact that you cited Manga Pocket and multiple manga targeted towards a male audience lmao. Manga Pocket has a wide variety but it is a Kodansha digital offshoot of Weekly SHOUNEN Magazine. This is a manga line for boys. Lmao you heard that a crossdresser was in the manga so it confirmed your assumptions? What about Re:Zero? Fate series? Even MHA has a crossdresser. BlueLock has a slightly "femboy" character too. This doesn't mean literally anything, it's incredibly common in almost anything nowadays for this kind of character to appear. For someone who accuses me of not liking a ship unless it had a girl, it's strange that you automatically assume emotional drama between male characters MUST mean that the manga is targeted toward females. Anime emotions are only for girls, right? Wind Breaker certainly leans heavier on the aesthetic character designs and emotional drama than something like even Blue Lock; I'm not going to say it's Baki or Ippo levels of manliness. But nothing that's happened so far is outside of the realm of overdramatic, impassioned frenemy based shounen as a whole. Yes even the "neck bite" is just sappy melodrama. Also doesn't mean the tide turns and the vast majority of the audience becomes female. Like Haikyuu and Blue Lock. But they're not WRITTEN for them, which is the key thing. And that's a huge part of the appeal and what makes it different from something that is, like Black Butler. |
eightdollarwaterJun 6, 2024 4:19 PM
| @akixangel Blud idgaf about what anime are "MoRe PoPuLaR" because I'm not 12 years old, or this isn't 2008, who actually cares? Really getting away from the subject as desperately as possible. And I never said Wind Breaker was a battle shounen. It is within the basest shounen genre. WIND BREAKER IS SHOUNEN. It is classified as shounen on every Japanese manga marketing website, and Western. It is posted on Manga Pocket's digital offshoot of a SHOUNEN MAGAZINE. It is sideline marketed under categories where other shounen titles are placed. It's written and drawn by a male reader of Tokyo Revengers, another SHOUNEN. There is literally no argument here. You called it yaoi bait just because male characters act emotional, which is common in a million different anime. This is not a "yaoi" trait. It's an anime trait. Fellas, is it gay to show emotions? This material is still MADE for "young men" (shounen). The style is not dissimilar from other melodramatic male-targeted anime that I already mentioned. This is such a dumb point that I can't believe I even have to mention it, and I was making fun of you because you interpreted it as such. Already acknowledged this a hundred times, of COURSE this will have tons of female fans, fanartists etc. Again who cares? In Japan it's still intended to be written for male readers, like many shounen series that still gain huge numbers of female fans. You can call me explaining something basic to you "glazing" and I'll just say the flipside of that is that you're reaching hard. I enjoy this anime but it's not INCREDIBLE. It's fun goofy delinquent drama, it's silly but I can also dig the story. It's fine, it's seasonal fluff. You're no different than a fujo who would come along to ruin it by shipping characters that are not romantically paired. The characters just in a melodramatic anime. That's it. |
| @akixangel Yeah this began when you misinterpreted a normal-ass male cast shounen drama as yaoi bait. Can you read? ASTOUNDING repeated lack of reading comprehension from you. I said the show was fine. Doesn't mean you're any less factually wrong about the marketing and sales genre. You have nothing left now that you are looking at my post profile details, of all things, for the lowest possible hanging fruit. "Yeah well, you've been here longer than me." Absolutely EINSTEIN move lmao. I get it though, you desperately want this show to be gay. You watch a gay show you "hate" every single week so you can come here and complain about how much you hate the gay. Happy pride month babe. |
| @akixangel And you're still wrong about the genre. Still snooping joke artifacts from an old profile for low hanging fruit because you have nothing else. Still whining about the anime (watching less of it and not getting the intended character/drama buildup is incredibly embarrassing). Still don't understand basic Japanese anime tropes even though you're proudly not American/European. Could have fooled me on that one. Go ahead, do all these exact same things again in the next comment. |
| Finally the "boy" opened the eyes!!!! kekeke |
| Damn, the fight was a little disappointing, ngl. I was looking forward to seeing Ume beat tf out of Choji, but all he really wanted was a conversation. Good therapy session for Choji though! Choji finally realized that what he was missing were human interactions and having relationships. Still fail to realize how people find this cringe or boring. Like c'mon, you're joking right? |
As a wise man once said, "No one hates anime more than anime fans"  |
| I cringed completely when manlet bit Nakamura guy in the neck. What a fujo garbage. |
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| It's just like they say, it's lonely at the top! I hope this new found friendship fills Choji's heart more than violence ever could! Especially because biting people is a dangerous maneuver. |
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| what’s with the power of friendship nonsense, Ume and Chouji fought and Ume let Chouji get some hits in to vent himself? I’m losing testosterone every episode these so called delinquents do civilized activities. Where’s the dog fights, comradery, surprises? Feeling real empty after this episode especially. The result of that long arena 1v1 is everyone becomes friends now… |
| The leaders' showdown of Umemiya vs. Choji, the latter is not making things easy, and so does the former, who's fighting for a reason. Clearly, Choji has gone insane, and reaching the top (at least for him) is not fun at all. Choji may have his fists, but Umemiya has his Talk no Jutsu to always try and keep talking him into reason, even with a headbutt of all things from a strong fighter-cum-therapist. Things between both groups are amicable, especially between the leaders, who had fun even fighting each other in the past. Even Choji was having fun with his buddies, that over time, lost its light. The therapist managing to calm the distorted soul, which Togame filled him in of the possible split between both guys if he'd ever take everyone away from him, finally realizing that he would've lost everything if not for Togame. Choji finally admitting defeat, but the agreement between both groups being a farce, and the fight draws to a close, a happy ever after. |
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| Idk, I wish someone would have lost and this change is too quick. |
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So this is still Sakura’s first day at school
| @MarkMendoxa second day cuz the fight was settled for one day after Choji came to Fuurin |
| The death of a man is a horrible thing; the death of a million is statistics. |
| overly dramatic!! |
| Umemiya's like a dad to everyone lol Plus, he didn't want the extra headache of expanding his turf. He just wants a peaceful coexistence. |
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| Umemiya literally beat some sense into him. Choji finally back to his normal self, thanks to Umemiya and Togame. |
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| The fight ended with a realization from Choji, that he was on the wrong side all this time. And it was a 5/5 score for Furin. |
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| It kept repeating the dude's backstory to the point of boredom. All the other episodes with their emotional moments hit spectacularly well. This, however, was mid as all hell. Even the symbolism became boring by repeating it over and over again. It was the final boss and yet it was less entertaining than the first fight which ended in less what? A minute? And even less heartfelt than the MC being given an exposition dump on why he is liked in the first episode. Honestly, the best part about the episode was that it ended. |
| Honestly less of a fight and more of an awakening. Umemiya used more of a caring tactic then just fighting and winning. But he wasn't wrong when he said fights are just conversations with your fists. Now Bofurin and Shishitoren are buddys |
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| wtf, what's Choji's point? what a dumb backstory more sakura please |
| I don't care how much development they give to Tomiyama I just find him to be annoying and cringe... well at least the two bands are friend now lol. |
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| What is this story even supposed to be about?? The writing is nonexistent |
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