Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Séamus Coleman
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete Keep after receiving sources that LoI is indeed a fully professional league. Black Kite 19:13, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Footballer who has never played in a fully professional league, thus failing WP:FOOTYN. Dancarney (talk) 08:58, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment An article on this player was deleted by AfD Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Seamus Coleman soon after his move to Everton. He has not played for Everton since his move there. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 08:28, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, Irish U-21 and U-23 Irish international and played in and was captain of a full professional team for over 50 games as well as European competition.--Vintagekits (talk) 09:48, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete nothing changes since its last nomination, the subject's presumed amount of notability hasn't increased at all, and therefore my opinion stands. In my opinion , it is also eligible for speedy deletion under CSD G4 ("A copy, by any title, of a page deleted via a deletion discussion, provided the copy is substantially identical to the deleted version and that any changes in the recreated page do not address the reasons for which the material was deleted."). --Angelo (talk) 10:09, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- comment, I think you will find that there is percident to keep articles on the top players in the big clubs of the League of Ireland.--Vintagekits (talk) 09:11, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, as the facts have not substantially changed since the last AfD. His profile on the Everton website explicitly states that he is a reserve team player, which supports the contention that he fails WP:ATHLETE. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 10:16, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment, what about his playing career prior to joining Everton when he was at fully professional Sligo Rovers?--Vintagekits (talk) 10:28, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Sligo play in a league which is not fully professiona, and thus he fails WP:ATHLETE. пﮟოьεԻ 57 10:46, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Which team isnt fully professional?--Vintagekits (talk) 11:51, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, Dundalk don't seem to be, for one, as the player profiles on their official website list the players' "day jobs" eg this one -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:20, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- So the a newly promoted team have a couple of players that may not be fully professional. As you saying that some players in some teams in the English top four divisions do not also have semi-pro players? Are you saying that if even one player in any of the divisions has a job outside football then the whole league is deemed as being non professional?--Vintagekits (talk) 08:42, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, Dundalk don't seem to be, for one, as the player profiles on their official website list the players' "day jobs" eg this one -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:20, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Which team isnt fully professional?--Vintagekits (talk) 11:51, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Sligo play in a league which is not fully professiona, and thus he fails WP:ATHLETE. пﮟოьεԻ 57 10:46, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment, what about his playing career prior to joining Everton when he was at fully professional Sligo Rovers?--Vintagekits (talk) 10:28, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per Angelo. пﮟოьεԻ 57 10:46, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. GiantSnowman 12:10, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy delete as recreation of deleted material, WP:CSD#G4. GiantSnowman 12:12, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- This is not a repost; I wrote the bulk of this entry and none of the former. Please read the criteria carefully. Skomorokh 14:32, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy delete under WP:CSD G4, recreation of previously deleted material. Whether the words are different, the same topic fails the criteria it was previously deleted under. --Jimbo[online] 21:22, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy Delete no more notable than last time--AssegaiAli (talk) 22:15, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per me on his last AfD. Fails WP:ATHLETE as never having played in a fully-professional league, and fails WP:GNG as sources never progress beyond the trivial level typical of media coverage of non-notable footballers. Recreate when and if he plays for Everton. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 08:22, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per Struway2. Cliftonian (Talk • Contibs) 08:29, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Meets WP:BIO with several articles explicitly about him in newspapers such as [1], [2] Nfitz (talk) 04:36, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
- Those articles are standard football gossip in context of his possible transfer. As I said at the previous AfD, "the BBC covers transfers in similar detail at much lower levels of English football, e.g. this report of Eastbourne Borough, a semi-pro team playing in the fifth tier, signing a player whose only competitive experience was at even lower levels." The only fact addressed in those articles is that Mr Coleman is a footballer who fancies playing in the Football League and whom Everton are considering signing. I can't see how that constitutes non-trivial coverage as required by WP:BIO. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 07:55, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I disagree. Nfitz (talk) 03:11, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Non trivial coverage?
- I disagree. Nfitz (talk) 03:11, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Those articles are standard football gossip in context of his possible transfer. As I said at the previous AfD, "the BBC covers transfers in similar detail at much lower levels of English football, e.g. this report of Eastbourne Borough, a semi-pro team playing in the fifth tier, signing a player whose only competitive experience was at even lower levels." The only fact addressed in those articles is that Mr Coleman is a footballer who fancies playing in the Football League and whom Everton are considering signing. I can't see how that constitutes non-trivial coverage as required by WP:BIO. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 07:55, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Life so sweet at the 'Toffees' for Seamus
- Seamus Coleman makes his Everton debut
- Everton & Celtic battle it out for Sligo's Coleman
- Everton to sign Seamus Coleman
- Everton land Sligo starlet--Vintagekits (talk) 08:38, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I would say that only the first one of those is non-trivial. Dancarney (talk) 08:41, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually I would say that it is the least trivial! Anyone so you accept that the remainder are non trivial?--Vintagekits (talk) 08:46, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The other links are to articles that say is likely to sign for, and then has signed for Everton, and then played a game, which seems pretty trivial to me as I've adequately summed up 4 links in a single sentence. Dancarney (talk) 08:56, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually I would say that it is the least trivial! Anyone so you accept that the remainder are non trivial?--Vintagekits (talk) 08:46, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Pardon my French but that is a load of bollocks! You obviously havent even looked at the links then!
- If this was some player who played five minutes for a 4th division team in England then he would be considered notable.
- How about these then?
- Seamus Coleman talks about his “dream move “to Everton
- Birmingham will keep tabs on Coleman and Hughes
- Coleman likely to swap Sligo for Birmingham
- Sligo star Coleman relishing the prospect of cross-channel switch
- Blues monitoring Irish defender
- Ireland U-23 Squad
- Ireland U-21 Squad
- Happy? Want more?--Vintagekits (talk) 08:59, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- As User:Struway2 points out above, this is all standard transfer sports section filler, with the exception of the links regarding Ireland U21/U23s, which mention his name in passing. Yes, I did read all of the links you posted, thank you. Please be civil. Dancarney (talk) 09:08, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- This is "standard sports section filled!? I think you need a sit down my son because you are embarassing yourself.
Do I have to go on, and on, and on, and on...............?
- Battle of the Rovers ends happily for Sligo
- Cobh Ramblers remain rooted
- Sligo Rovers 2-1 Shamrock Rovers
- Blues denied place in last eight
- Sligo Rovers 0-0 Derry City
and I will just leave you with this wee piece from Ireland highest selling national newspaper.
- 5 Players worth admission fee! End of story!--Vintagekits (talk) 09:31, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- If you read above, you will see I had already stated that the sligochampion piece was non-trivial. I stand by my comments about transfer talk. Why didn't you include the last link from the beginning? That counts as non-trivial coverage. I still suggest that you read Wikipedia's civility policy. Dancarney (talk) 10:06, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I am well aware of the civility policy! Its just that your comments are idiotic and deserve some scorn! Anyway, I have provided multiple non trivial sources. He has played for Ireland at U-21 and U-23 and captained a full professional team in a predominantly if not full professional league.
- Additionally if you look at the precident for this type of play is to keep - see AfD for Tony Moore, Frank Andoh, Felino Jardim or Egland Haxho - obviously it nots the glorious 4th division of English football or a subsitute appearance with a "sleep giant" but maybe this Irish international might be deemed worthy if only he'd beg!--Vintagekits (talk) 10:26, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- "I am well aware of the civility policy! Its just that your comments are idiotic and deserve some scorn!" Yes, you clearly are, as proven there. I'm staying out of this. Dancarney (talk) 10:59, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- "I am well aware of the civility policy! Its just that your comments are idiotic and deserve some scorn!" Yes, you clearly are, as proven there. I'm staying out of this. Dancarney (talk) 10:59, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I don't consider football newspaper articles as indications of notability. They are notoriously mixtures of POV and gossip. I would require something more about his actual achievements - not anticipated triumphs. I felt the same about the players quoted before eg. Egland Haxho etc.....--AssegaiAli (talk) 15:06, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.